Histrionics – Nikhil Chopra Interview

Histrionics – Nikhil Chopra Interview

There is a glorious admiration one has for the performative work of Mumbai artist, Nikhil Chopra, whom without pretence or profit, has single-handedly propelled himself onto the international art scene, with a series of acts that might at first appear as preposterous as they are profound. Likened to a seasoned actor going on stage, Chopra painstakingly decorates himself in regal make-up and pompous costume and then without too much deliberation enters into another world in which his audience no longer have the privilege to talk to him; becoming spectators falling away into a theatrical semi-circle. During his performances Nikhil Chopra has the endearing ability to get into character for several hours at a time, days even, and then return from the brink to wash and undress and talk very easily of his need for a cold beer and a particular dish of food. Chopra himself confesses to living well and indulging at every opportunity, for one who suffers for his art there has to be some reward. But in no way arrogant, Nikhil Chopra has an unabounding humility about him, whereby he admirably furnishes our conversation with a distinct lack of ego. When quizzed about his involvement in the 2011 Centre Pompidou show, Paris, Delhi, Bombay, (curated by director Alain Seban), Chopra saw the exhibition as being as much a new opportunity as it proved a straitjacket. Drawing on the same leading contemporary artists, ‘Subodh Gupta’, ‘Bharti Kher’, ‘Ravinder Reddy’, ‘Nalini Malani’, ‘Riyas Komu’ among them, Chopra was invited to exhibit side-by-side, in a slightly amateurish appraisal of contemporary Indian art. And within such contrived cultural circumstances Chopra never saw his work as any more significant to the stylish painterly works of Thukral and Tagra, or the appropriated ready-mades of Bharti Kher.

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Untitled (Blackening) 2013, courtesy of the artist and Chatterjee and Lal, Mumbai

If the duration of his performances are anything to go by, then he outdoes his contemporaries for the sheer extent to which he willingly labours for his art. In conversation I argue that whilst the majority of his contemporaries in principle make more conventional works, ‘paintings’, and ‘sculptures’ that are constituted of ‘ready-made objects’, he himself choreographs entire sequences of related events that have him dress and undress whilst physically drawing in charcoal vast surrounding landscapes for posterity; all the while working without dialogue or the presence of accompanying characters. For Chopra that is what he does, as it is what they do, and he doesn’t wish to engage in a conversation about aesthetic hierarchies. But it is impossible not to acknowledge the remarkable journey Chopra has made, from his tentative beginnings in Mumbai, to draw performance and performative art back into the mainstream, and firmly back onto the cultural map.

Historically whilst in Europe and America, performance art has always been a significant part of modern and contemporary art practice, with the anti-art strategies of European ‘neo-Dadaism’, and ‘Surrealism’ in the 1920’s and 1930’s, when artists initially took to the stage, intentionally dressing in idiotic costume and reciting anarchic poetry, were collectively interested in unsettling or subverting a modern understanding of reality and modern aesthetics, post first world war. Decades later that initial wish for a subversive avant-garde, led historically to the more sophisticated notion of ‘the happening’ and the associated term of ‘art intervention’, whereby artists sought to democratise art and make very subtle changes to an existing situation or circumstance, as an artistic act of intervention, without willingly telling an ‘unsuspecting’ audience of what was happening, and of where the artwork was.

Untitled (Blackening) 2013, courtesy of the artist and Chatterjee and Lal, Mumbai
Untitled (Blackening) 2013, courtesy of the artist and Chatterjee and Lal, Mumbai

So the work itself, if anything was as much about the process of it coming about, as it was about the intention of the artist. (British artist Cornelia Parker wrapped French sculptor Augustine Rodin’s (1886) The Kiss in a mile of string, as homage to Dadaist Marcel Duchamp), And then there were those artists engaging very directly with notions of ‘a happening’ or ‘performance art’ in the 1960’s and 1970’s, who were eager to develop new approaches to their own practices that were related to something more immediate, and within ‘real time’. (French artist Yves Klein, famously doctored an image of himself leaping from a window onto a dishevelled street outside, in October 1960. Not an action as such, it was Klein’s statement of intent, of what was to follow and Americans Yoko Ono, Carolee Schneeman and Joseph Beuys, all developed their own understanding of where performance should go, as a vehicle for engaging with an audience in real-time.)

And such circumstances were a major influence on what Nikhil Chopra saw as the opportunity for him to loosen up his aesthetic interests, and to engage more directly with wider ideas of performance and theatre. Yet for Chopra based in Mumbai, of a traditional schooling, the act of engaging with an audience more directly was something that was not readily recognised in India. As performance is still associated with notions of cultural theatre and traditional dance. The majority of which is related to religious fables.

It could well be argued that besides a greater desire for a more multi-disciplinary approach to contemporary art making, that artists like Chopra were interested in pursuing, that the concurrent inflated interest in the Indian art market internationally, (with the rise of artists like ‘Subodh Gupta’, (New Delhi), ‘Jitish Kallat’, (Mumbai), and ‘Bharti Kher’ (New Delhi), among others), bought about a premature shift, that had a new generation of artists reacting to the ‘commodification’ of art, by taking the lead and replacing ‘objects’ with ‘actions’, and very significantly seeking to re-democratise art, in order in its purest sense it could become about the choreographed moment.

As the event itself becomes a currency that replaces the rudimentary mechanics of object-making becoming profit-making, and very significantly mirroring what had happened in America in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

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Yog Raj Chitrakar: Memory Drawing VI (17:30) 2010, courtesy of the artist and Chatterjee and Lal, Mumbai; Photo Shivani Gupta

As an experience Chopra’s audiences are subject to a lesson in morality, as he has eloquently described how ‘it is important to be this sadistic gentleman, to rub him into the ground, bring him to his knees, in a sense to consciously enter into this duality, to play master and servant, to be part of the past and of the present, hero and valiant, to play maharajah and coal-miner, to play a grandfather and son. To be naked and dressed up. This duality, the opposite poles in my performances is what interests me immensely, as I take the audience from highs to lows at any given time.’ And the ‘unqualified experience’, or ‘happening’ as American Allan Kaprow defined it in America in the late 1950’s, has become more prevalent in India now as a proxy for object based art. And as was the case with European and American performance in the 1950’s, into the 1960’s and 1970’s, that sought to challenge and open up art and aesthetics to a wider audience; a new generation of artists, ‘Sahej Rahal’ (Mumbai), ‘Sonia Khurana’ (New Delhi), ‘Tehaj Shah’ (Mumbai) , ‘Monali Meher’ (Mumbai), ‘Kiran Subbaiah’, (Mumbai), ‘Manmeet and Shantanu Lodh’, (New Delhi), among them, are in India all employing more performative strategies for their wish for a greater enterprise for the arts, as they diverse and facilitate projects that are intentionally without due diligence to the conventions of a closed gallery space, and to the notion of an otherwise more object based experience.

Theirs is an investigation into the elemental preoccupations of our lives, through social and cultural exchanges as performance and project based works; that actually have the audience feeling a heightened sense of everything the artist is feeling; as the work is firmly in and of the moment. And the democratising of art through performance and these kinds of interventions as such, in their loosest sense, comes about in knowing that an audience’s potential experience of such works is already within their grasp. As the principle forces, materials and sensations, are born of a shared reality.

And it is as a consequence of a more multi-disciplinary approach employed by artists in India now, which I have argued has come about as a consequence of a widening of aesthetic interests and influences, and also in part due to the commodification of art by European and American markets, that has encouraged Indian artists to think more laterally about their own practices. Employing theatre, film, photography, fashion, design, and dance to engage in ideas and project based works that are on-going, even possibly without end. And at the heart of a more didactic debate, where artists employ such diverse mediums and approaches, that the audiences are having to invest themselves in the works.

As instead of the routine of buying into high art, with a painting or accomplished sculpture, which suffices for the majority of ‘cultured’ people; performance, theatre, film and dance, indulge in sometime much more messy and positively democratic, that as Nikhil Chopra describes, ‘are to do with the highs and lows’ of life.

For Chopra then European and America performance art were a huge influence upon his own practice, mentioning the Americans ‘Cindy Sherman’ and ‘Eleanor Antin’, and the Serbian, American ‘Marina Abramović’. And when pressed Chopra fondly recalls visiting Eleanor Antin at her New York studio, Antin has since died, but she was ‘someone who heavily influenced (his) work’. And tellingly for Chopra, ‘she asked why I wasn’t pushing particular ideas much further’.

The significance of what Chopra was wanting to become a part of, and the influences that were available, came much later to him, as he openly divulges something of the frustration of wanting to be able to express himself but not being entirely aware of what is was he wanted to do exactly.

Whilst referencing the leading performative protagonists of the modern period, Chopra explains something of the lack of exposure in India to a more didactic art history that wontedly encouraged greater levels of experimentation. Such stifled circumstances I suggest are to do with schooling, and the academic and intellectual infrastructures available in India to emerging artists, within a relatively immature art scene. Chopra ponders my principled tone, agrees and subsequently admits to a lack of confidence initially, ‘I wasn’t exposed enough to art history, I considered I was lagging behind, and I was very conscious of my own immaturity in terms of criticality, I didn’t have a gutsy spirit initially and it’s about confidence, as a painter, sculptor, the artist carries the burden of art history, a blank canvas can be utterly daunting. Performing alone, opening a blank document is a leap of faith; it is about putting yourself out there.’ And for Chopra the exposure and vulnerability he initially subjected himself to, was a necessary evil, in order he develops as a human being and artist. ‘Performance is another medium in which I am allowing myself to be as successful as I am allowing for the possibility for failure. Failure really is built into the performance and there is of course a sense of exhibitionism about what I do.’

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Yog Raj Chitrakar: Memory Drawing VI (18:00) 2010, courtesy of the artist and Chatterjee and Lal, Mumbai; Photo Shivani Gupta

Chopra’s beguiling honesty facilitates much of our conversation, and in such moments of candour the accomplished performance artist inadvertently touches on the vast parameters of his work, and poignantly addresses the notion that failure is as significant to his performative practice as are the rewards of success. And such a turn of phrase ignites your imagination, as you bear witness to the impossible fragility of each of his choreographed compositions in person and replay them in your mind. A situation in which you can see a man effortlessly move between performative silence, solitude and the final salvation of his charactered incarnation; as he positively affirms one’s belief in life itself.

Since his residency and associated performance at KHOJ in 2007, Chopra has developed an incredibly sophisticated programme of performances that have in the past five years stretched the entire world. And he manages to address such relevant issues, as ‘personal and collective cultural history’, ‘the question of identity’, ‘the role of autobiography’, and the ‘politics of posing and self-portraiture’, as he puts it, with such gifted intelligence, that he has successfully moved the debates so much further forward.

Working at the cusp of theatre, performance art, drawing and installation, in the last three years Nikhil Chopra has done a series of leading choreographed actions, that have included a window performance in Berlin in October 2011, in which he was dressed in a black paper costume as an exhausted construction worker covered in a blackened layer of soot; for which he performed for five hours. In November 2011 at the Zacheta National Gallery, Warsaw, Chopra ascended and descended the substantial gallery staircase whilst being covered in paper, molten chocolate and cream. In November of the same year, Chopra performed a show called Liberalis, which he interpreted as ‘the freedom of expression’. For which he dresses in a stiff paper military style uniform that falls apart during the performance to reveal vivid pink underwear. In March 2012 Chopra stood naked for five hours at the GlogouAIR space in Berlin, during which time he feverishly drew in charcoal into the leading wall of the gallery whilst blindfold. In April 2012, as a closing performance for his yearlong residency at Grüntaler, Berlin, Chopra addressed the predominantly Turkish neighbourhood by dressing as an Afghan/Asian bearded man who having blackened the room with a roller and brushes, coarsely drew the Istanbul skyline from memory and then endeavoured to whiten himself, his clothes, and beard as a political reprisal. And in April 2012 in association with Galeria Continua, San Gimignano, the artist archived one of his most accomplished performances to date. Lasting for close on 99 hours in total, five days in total, Chopra was inspired by the 15th century Italian artist Benozzo Gozzoli. During the performance Chopra dressed lavishly in bygone Italian costume, with the corresponding charcoal and coloured drawings of the surrounding landscape, produced during the prolonged performance in and outside of the Arco dei Becci exhibition space, being available for display for several months afterwards.

When given to considering such performances, and the scale and sophistication of his work to date, there is an unabashed confidence about Chopra now that might well have shifted his initial uncertainty about himself onto his audiences. As the fear of being scrutinised and the subject of attention is something we would rather avoid at all costs. And his having successfully levelled out his and our vulnerabilities within a given space, that make for such engaging and equally mesmerising performative works.

Black Dogs – Bharti Kher Profile Piece

Bharti Kher has become one of the leading female protagonists of a new generation of artists holding their own in India today. Having broken onto the international art scene with her work The Skin Speaks a Language Not Its Own 2006, that comprises of a life size fibreglass elephant recoiling on the floor, covered from head to toe in silver bindi’s; Kher has since established herself as one of a handful of artists at the cusp of the contemporary art scene. Shifting from the UK to New Delhi in the early nineties, Kher had to assimilate to her surroundings, while still managing to retain her own independence. And like so many of her early works that are born of a plethora of discarded materials; the elephant was influenced by a faded photograph of a collapsed elephant being manhandled and manoeuvred into an awaiting truck. The tragic imposition upon this allying mammal was perceived by Kher to be “an artwork in the making”. And as a work of immense beauty it proved to be a sensation among the international art collective. Impulsively acquired by philanthropist and collector Frank Cohen for his Wolverhampton collection, which is included in a Manchester City Art Gallery show in 2010, aptly entitled Looking East in which Cohen opened up a very small part of his collection to the public.

Bharti Kher was also included in Saatchi Gallery’s Empire Strikes Back exhibition, 2010. A survey show of contemporary Indian art, which included The Nemesis of Nations 2008, which is a work that has become as synonymous with Kher’s practice, as the vinyl floor works are regarded as British artist Jim Lambie signature style. Multi-layered and multi-coloured, these circles of felt are concentrated onto gallery walls and canvas as many as possible. For Kher their cultural significance is central to her art practice. A reoccurring motif, likened to the wheel rooted to the centre of the Indian flag, the bindi is at the centre of all social and cultural identity in India, and a sign of the marital woman and her place in society. Kher explains “The bindi has become many things now after using it for so long, a marker of time. It functions as both a material that transforms the surface of a work like text or codes and reinvents the clarity of a ritual that signifies that you open your eye and see. The visual aesthetic is really not something I can ignore and yes it’s one of my signatures.” For that reason Kher’s repeated bindis, the distorted layering and over-layering of the original form, disorientates and destabilises the motif, one among many. Corrupting the essential beauty of the bindi with this work, Kher goes some way to suggest symbolism is constantly subject to social change and she positively challenges the role of the woman in a continent stifled by tradition.

 

As an artist Kher is more interested in the intrinsic processes that are inherent in making her works, and demonstrates a laudable modesty that encourages her to derail any talk of her being ‘more important’ or a ‘leading artist’ among her contemporaries.

With works like Hungry Dogs Eat Dirty Pudding 2004 we are reminded of Swiss artist Méret Oppenheim and her early Dada and Surrealist interests. Hugely influential to her contemporaries in and outside of the surrealist movement in the 1920’s, Oppenheim was a leading female artist whose works consisted of everyday objects arranged as such that they alluded to female sexuality and feminine exploration by the opposite sex. For Kher such associations are rudimentary, “In the tea sets series her (Oppenheim’s) hair covered tea cups bore the same strange fruits of the tea ceremony that I wanted to explore. Meetings and encounters that are somehow neutralised in a ritual handed down over centuries to talk and share. My piece took the twist like Oppenheim’s but in my own way.”

Another work of considerable merit is The Absence of Assignable Cause from 2007 in which Kher has recreated a disembodied whale’s heart in fibreglass and decorated the enormous heart and protruding artilleries with different coloured bindi’s. A speculative work again based on images, this time from maritime journals and obscure articles that have been surmised to produce this monumental work. And Kher appears to have indulged in this instance in a fleeting interest in the wonder of a mammal’s heart as a metaphor for something else entirely. As with The Skin Speaks a Language Not Its Own 2006, it is the scale of the work that delivers such a spectacle. Intentionally intrusive upon the space whilst still retaining something of the intimacy of a living organ.

Bharti Kher has since exhibited at her Swiss gallerists’ London and New York spaces, and it is no coincidence that her husband Subodh Gupta’s gallerist, Hauser&Wirth is one and the same. Far from being overshadowed by Gupta’s success, Kher has carved out a position all her own, that merits as much attention. While Gupta indulges in the monumental, Bharti Kher is an artist committed to exploring cultural misunderstandings and social codes, using the breadth and depth of contemporary art practice to arrive at these misshapen objects and installations. Highly regarded for her sculptural works, Kher has also produced paintings and sculptures that purposefully challenge some of the cultural and social taboos intrinsic to the class systems in India.

 

Likening herself to the well intentioned ethnographer pouring over the machinery of her culture, Kher delivers a very forceful reinterpretation of modern India that shallows everything up in sight, much like a typhoon, and throws its back at us in such unfathomable reconfigurations. Human limbs attached to animal parts, objects upturned and disassembled, colours appearing like diseases. What motivates Kher, with her ability to achieve almost anything, goes back to her original intention for ‘intimacy’ and ‘simplicity’ in her work. Ideas she originally grappled with at art school in Newcastle. “I think I go backwards and forwards all the time. Most of my work refers to other pieces I have made because your concerns stay essentially the same whether they are naive or considered.”

Reluctant to eulogise the painters and sculptors who have influenced her work, Kher is more democratic in her praise for the anatomy of her adopted city as a greater influence. “I look everywhere and copy everyone like a magpie who takes what it needs, turns an old shiny button into a beacon. Most of us are products of our lives.” Therefore like her contemporary Jitish Kallat, art is a by-product of life. Where Kher borrows and rewards herself from the inventive sub-cultures that exist side by side in a country tittering somewhere between self-sufficient harmony and hazardous chaos.

Domestic hoovers covered in garish animal skins and trees bearing the fruit of small unidentifiable creatures. These are the kind of unusual morphing’s that Bharti Kher has made her own and in discussion it appears that she is influenced as much by the geometry of (Piet) Mondrian as she is by the machinery of domestic appliances. Allowing her to beg, borrow and steal as much from the grit and mortar of the underbelly of the city, as the more established cultures narratives of contemporary art. For all of that Kher confesses to “never underestimating the power of a great piece of art”. Given to elaborating upon the significance of art history on her practice, Kher professes to an appreciation for the universality of the whole experience in one go, “If I can see Malevich I don’t have to be Russian Supremacist avant garde or you don’t have to be Dutch to love Mondrian” “At art college I looked at Francis Bacon, Francisco Goya, Diego Velasquez, 15th century Dutch painting, I looked at tons of books and art magazines. I was schooled in the UK so I didn’t study Indian history of art. You fill in those gaps now on your own”.

Such motives for new works appears to suggest that art for her generation of artist is sought and struggled over in the everyday; positioned somewhere between a fabricator and jeweller’s, across from a type factory and a paint store. A far cry from the utter isolation one might associate with Pablo Picasso painting Guernica in Paris in 1937, or Jackson Pollock pouring paint for Number 1, Lavender Mist, 1950 from his outdoor studio outside New York. This insatiable ‘appetite for the everyday’ appears to have torn apart the divisions for creating art entirely from ones studio, as American Mark Rothko might have done, and what is significant now with contemporary art practice, is what appears closer to the appraisal of modern culture eulogised by Rothko’s contemporary Andy Warhol. Where everything and anything goes.

 

Obviously such actions and influences were the foundation for modern art history, from the chaotic misadventure of Dadaism in Europe at the turn of the century, to the brash confidence of American abstract expressionism; art has always been a reaction to an established culture. Reading over Kher original interview correspondence, it appears her inscrutable appetite for new ideas is as a consequence of her manufacturing beauty from the detritus outside her studio. In her “feelings for being from neither here or there”, Kher regards herself as much Indian, as she is British. And her international position reflects her broader narratives.

When discussing the originality of her work Kher is quite adamant of her artistic autonomy, “It doesn’t bother me if people think it’s been done before… authenticity is not something I adhere to.

You have to see where and why the work is coming from where it does”. And again Kher’s contemporary Jitish Kallat describes “the city as his university”. A looking glass through which he freely borrows from everything as a modern day flâneur reaping his reward. Thus as a consensus contemporary works are generated in and amongst us; equally by artists and city dwellers alike. And as with Marcel Duchamp and Andy Warhol before them, an idea or an entire work becomes art when it is reappropriated from the city into the incubated isolation of the gallery space. The fuel for such wondrous works is aplenty then in a city that thrives on the energies of such a diverse populous and on the infrastructure of a by-gone age, in which Kher has profited from her use of almost anything that comes into her studio.

In context Kher is of a generation that appears at the vanguard of a new look India, all of whom have successfully infiltrated these shores with such ambition that Saatchi’s aptly titled exhibition of contemporary Indian works, The Empire Strikes Back shows something of the profitable exuberance that make for exciting times for this spirited group of Indian artists. As a swelling reception for contemporary Indian culture appears to have fashioned a zeitgeist that has rewarded European and Indian dealers and gallerists alike. Kher explains “any interest is great for people here who incidentally have been practising for as long as anyone else, anywhere else. Parallel movements and cultures are open to any who wishes to involve themselves.” Kher is an artist at ease with herself, against a background of new technologies, the allure of Bollywood, and a political system curtailed by bureaucracy, she is shaping a new narrative for new audiences.

For her much anticipated London and New York shows Kher managed to successfully translate some of those new ideas to a larger audience like no other. Juxtaposing scale and decoration with tantalising visually absurdities, Kher appears driven to create difficult and aesthetically involving works time and again. And the cultural slippage, not belonging to either India or Britain, allows her the outsider role, as she observes reality and borrows from it tenfold. Delivering works that illuminate with an aura that radiates around the work like Donald Judd might once have done. Kher’s invented narrative becomes the precise point of departure for her artworks, as she appears to be constantly acting and reacting to the cultural connotations that all of these objects, materials, and symbols provide. Acting to intentionally strip them of their context, in order they can become the bricks and mortar for a new artwork.

 

The Anatomy of the Mind – Jitish Kallat Interview

   
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Jitish Kallat has cultured a sophisticated body of works that merit his being regarded as one of the leading protagonist of contemporary art in India. Recently appointed artistic director and curator for the 2014 Kochi-Muziris Biennale; a regular panelist and ambassador for the arts. Kallat has single handed spurred the contemporary art scene on. Originally studying at the renowned Sir JJ School of Art in central Mumbai, where previous alumni have included Bose Krishnamachari, Tyeb Mehta, Akbar Padamsee, Atul Dodiya, S. H. Raza and M. F. Husain. Kallat would also meet his future wife Reena Saini Kallat, (who has herself gained an international reputation) there; and it was where he was exposed to a new generation of artists and designers whose subsequent success would resemble something of the YBA’s who were coming out of Goldsmiths College in the late 1980’s. His accomplished ability as a billboard sized painter is equally matched by his proficiency as an urban photographer. And Kallat’s intention has always been about how to integrate his multi-disciplinary approaches into one successful practice. Given the majesty of his position, much of the allure of Jitish Kallat and his contemporary Subodh Gupta lies in their ability to translate many of India’s beautiful complexities so willingly, and with gusto.

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Overcast Forecast 2009-2010, courtesy of the artist

Likened to a contemporary ethnographer scrutinizing his backyard, Jitish Kallat’s work deals with Mumbai’s dislocated and downtrodden inhabitants. As the artist openly confesses to borrowing from the detritus of everyday life in an effort to facilitate many of his ideas. Looking afresh at the sub-continent’s fabric; its ‘history’, ‘politics’, ‘religious and social structures’, ‘class and caste systems’, and the underlying ‘cancerous poverty’ that infects everything. Kallat’s works draw on the complicated sub-structures that balances all things. And there is as a consequence an engaging set of cultural absurdities attached like parasites to his works, which are reflective of the ills of modern India. Kallat then is dealing with the histrionics of a country at a cross-roads, as it looks to secure its place among the most significant emerging markets, ‘economic’ and ‘artistic’, whilst turning over its societal traditions. It is still a county shaped by religious fervour, tainted by corruption, and positively energised by its sycophantic adulation for film and television. And as it successfully attempts to muddle with all of those interests and aliments, Kallat and his contemporaries are able to profit from the idiosyncrasies of a country unable to explain itself. Delivering artworks that are as problematic as they appear decoratively pleasing.


INTERVIEW

Rajesh Punj: Initially I wanted to ask about your art school? Were you originally drawn to painting or sculpture? And who your originally influences were? 

Jitish Kallat: I attended art school at the Sir J.J. School of Art, and was drawn as much to the exemplars within the visual arts realm as I was to mass media, advertising-etc. I did my B.F.A. in painting and even today hold the painted image as a very potent vehicle to carry ideas. My early art influences were rather wide, covering a vast number of artists, across generations and continents. But I’d say it was also the stuff on TV, the billboards, and the mess and grime of one’s neighbourhood that hugely stimulated my practice.

RP: Where was your first major solo show? Were you positively received by audiences and your critics immediately, and did that matter to you?

JK: My first major solo show titled ‘P.T.O.’ opened at Gallery Chemould (now Chemould Prescott Road) in 1997 when I was all of twenty-three years old. Showing with Gallery Chemould was a huge privilege as it is one of India’s oldest galleries, and has been instrumental in shaping the course of contemporary Indian art, and up until then they had only worked with artists who were in their late thirties or older. The feedback to the show was fantastic.

RP: When you start making works with a greater global audience in mind, do you make works that are of a greater global significance, or are you still concerned with local issues and your own geography first and foremost?

JK: First of all you don’t begin making work with a specific audience whether local or global. Besides terms such as ‘local’ and ‘global’ are not absolute binaries anymore. They can be used in an academic discourse but they hold little value, except perhaps as mere tools of description, while you are actually making work in the studio.

RP: Do you feel like you are consciously creating a style and a language for your works in India, in a context in which there wasn’t one in place already? And are you truly original in that sense?

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Autosaurus Tripous 2007, courtesy of the artist

 JK: In today’s world the notion of the ‘entirely original’ is not just an impossible position but also an uninteresting one. At a time when both knowledge and experience goes through intense interbreeding with the virtual, culture will reproduce itself in exciting hybrid ways. My work would probably be unique only by virtue of the fact that it doesn’t remain rigid in pursuit of absolute originality, and instead becomes a flexible processing field to engage with and disentangle the million signals that enter my system every day.

RP: What motivates your work? When looking at the epic scale and ambition of paintings like the Untitled (Eclipse) series and then the haunting homage to Mahatma Gandhi with Public Notice 2 one enjoys the incredible confidence of such works. What leads you to such ideas and such works? And do you think scale amplifies your massage?

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Universal Recipient 4 2008, courtesy of the artist

JK: I often say that the city street is my university. One finds all the themes of life and art- pain, happiness, anger, violence and compassion- played out here in full volume. Scale is merely one of the many tools one can deploy in the creation of meaning, and decisions such as big, small, life-size-etc. are as much acts of meaning creation as they may be retinal or aesthetic considerations.  

RP: How are you received in India by the art audiences and the critics alike, and is there a clear difference in how a European, even an American audience interprets your works from an Indian one? And as a consequence does your work translate well across continents?

JK: The notion of translation across continents is one of the adventures and pleasures of contemporary art today. I enjoy the way art-works gain and shed meaning across varying demography and geography; as an artist one provides the works with some vital ingredients with which it continues to engage and dialogue with the world across time and space.

RP: More generally is art receiving the attention it deserves in India now? We are all aware of the scale of cinema and television in the sub-continent, but not of where art fits along such cultural giants. Are the audiences ready to understand the very different messages of contemporary art without as much reward?  

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Prosody of a Rising Tide 2011-2012, courtesy of the artist

JK: Contemporary art in India continues to be viewed by a small but fast growing community of people who form the art world. It would be a fair assessment to say that the circumference of the art-world is growing at a rate which was hard to imagine a decade ago. We have to note that the contemporary art movement gained its momentum only in the last few decades, so people are yet to acquire the tools to understand art. One key dampener is the visible absence of an enlightened, readable review culture in the mainstream media; as a result the public at large remains detached and somewhat art illiterate. In the last few years the focus of this media has been on some sort of a vacuous celebrity citing so most shows are written about in the party pages of the newspapers. These are some of the dangerous symptoms of a community fed on a diet of reality TV and song-n-dance cinema whereby even the key newspaper and news channels on TV begin to reflect a skewed, unreal version of reality.

Anyway to answer your question, contemporary art remains a niche discipline when compared to the impact of mainstream cinema or television on the general public. Besides the population at large remain preoccupied with pressing challenges of survival, for whom mass cinema and television act as ventilators to momentarily escape from the harsh reality of daily life.

RP: Returning to the work Public Notice, what do you make of Gandhi now? Do you think he failed in his ambitions for India or did India fail him? And subsequently with this entire move toward a technology rich culture allowing for a booming economy; is India failing him again, or were his dreams always impossible and regressive?

JK: Gandhi is a massive figure whose speeches and writing form some of the foundational texts of the nation state. He used symbols, words, actions like an artist at precise moments to reawaken an entire subcontinent to stand up against an oppressive invader using the most imaginative tool of non-violent disobedience. In today’s terror-infected world, where wars against terror are fought as prime television time, voices such as Gandhi’s stare back at us like discarded relics. India is not failing Gandhi with its booming economy. Gandhi was not anti-prosperity but the growing inequities between rich and poor does call for a radical moral and social transformation.

RP: Where do you go from here? What matters now that might not have mattered before? And finally do you feel like you have succeeded with what you wanted to do, or are you seeking more from your practice? 

JK: If Warhol spoke about the fifteen minutes of fame, I’d say the occupational hazard of being an artist is that you only enjoy fifteen minutes of satisfaction. The completion of a piece or a project is mere stop-over, a pause in a very long endless expedition …